• Personal Flow and Attachment Soo Kim expressed a feeling of being on the "verge of something". Jevon Perra commented that Soo Kim was doing great with "not attaching to any outcome and just flowing non-judgmentally," which Jevon Perra admitted they struggle with, though they are aware of their attachments. They agreed that the unawareness of one's "craziness" is what causes trouble.
• Judgment and Sincerity Jevon Perra stated that they constantly have judgments, including about people who are "happy nice," like their Mormon friends, where they don't perceive sincerity. Soo Kim related to the judgment of insincerity, citing it as a major reason for a "rupture with Leila," because they judged her actions as insincere and fake. Jevon Perra agreed that having the data to be "right about my perceptions" is not the ultimate goal because their perceptions and best-case scenarios do not lead to ultimate happiness or peace.
• Contentment as the Highest State Jevon Perra asserted that the pursuit of achievement and accomplishment does not bring unending happiness and bliss, noting that past moments of having everything only brought momentary satisfaction. They suggested that the "other game" is to simply be content, which they considered "probably the highest state," because if one is content, their apparent energetic state does not matter as much.
• Illusion of the Singular Self and Happiness Set Point Soo Kim discussed the "illusion of the singular self," stating that even within a personality construct, there are multiple aspects, and the matter is which one one attaches to. Jevon Perra referenced a psychology book, The How of Happy, which suggests that most of one's happiness is set by genetics and other propensities, but about 30% comes from choices made, specifically one's speech and thoughts.
• The Meaning of Seriousness When asked where they fall on the happiness scale, Jevon Perra described Soo Kim as a "princess warrior type," serious about what is real and true, which Jevon Perra relates to. Jevon Perra defined being serious as meaning "life and death," explaining that to be serious is to stop playing, believe something will kill you, and stop being loose, unguarded, and oneself. They also related seriousness to suffering, where one stops "trusting God" and takes matters into their own hands, leading to suffering.
• The Enneagram Type Three Racket Jevon Perra shared that as an Enneagram Type Three, they are a performer who struggles to know what is truly them, losing themselves in their performances because they prioritize achievement. They explained that a "racket" is a game played to hide the "real business," drawing an analogy to a butcher shop fronting an alcohol operation during prohibition. Jevon Perra stated that their current "racket" involves engaging in human suffering to be relatable to others, but they get lost in the pain of the character they are playing.
• Connection versus Attachment Soo Kim questioned the sincerity of relating to people without "getting sucked in," calling it a form of insincerity and faking. Jevon Perra made a distinction between trying to relate and trying to connect, emphasizing that needing to connect is also an attachment. Jevon Perra described extreme attachment as the "needy" individual whose outward show of love is experienced as taking, not giving, because they are trying to "vampire" or suck life from the other.
• The Origin of Sincerity Discussing sincerity, Jevon Perra provided the etymology of the word, explaining that it is Latin for "without wax," originating from the practice of repairing broken marble statues with wax and dust. To be sincere means not hiding brokenness or what one does not want others to see; it means being transparent. Jevon Perra contrasted this with insincere interactions, such as someone being overly nice, suggesting that something is being hidden.
• The Progression of Relationships and Sincerity Jevon Perra discussed that normal human interactions are permission-based, with gradual sharing of more personal or "sketchy" information. They noted that always presenting only the cordial side is insincere, and relationships must progress, or the lack of progression signals an issue. If cracks are not shown willingly, Jevon Perra cautioned that they will be revealed through pressure or conflict, which is hurtful.
• Childhood Dynamics and Emotional Triggers Soo Kim related Jevon Perra's observations about insincerity to their own experience of being triggered and wanting to tell others how they were not hearing them, which mirrors a childhood dynamic where they learned defense mechanisms like taking things seriously to feel safe. Soo Kim felt their mother needed them to behave a certain way to feel like a "good mom," leading to a dynamic where they felt unable to be themself.
• The Attachment to Outcomes Jevon Perra shared their current personal lesson, which is the triggering belief that they "have to take care of people," specifically their family. This belief leads to an attachment to assuring outcomes, such as having "enough money" or ensuring their kids are not hurt, which causes incredible unrest and suffering because they try to love and attack their family at the same time by preventing harm. Jevon Perra identified the solution as releasing the attachment to outcomes, which they believe are already set by a script and soul contracts.
• Contentment through Trust and Release Jevon Perra concluded that the stress of trying to assure outcomes has no bearing on what happens, only providing the experience of suffering instead of contentment. True contentment comes from "trusting God," which means realizing that everything is perception. They explained that every perception creates a separate identity, which is the world of attachment and suffering.
• Maya and Lowering Consciousness Jevon Perra introduced the concept of "Maya" as the energy of separation that draws consciousness to lower its resonance to operate in the "super low frequency called personality called the body". They observed that the more aware they become, the more painful it is to be "a little bit off," explaining that their awareness makes them suffer more, not because awareness is negative, but because the subtle disturbance is now enough to bother them.
• The Princess and the Pea Parable Jevon Perra used the fairy tale of "The Princess and the Pea" to illustrate that spiritual growth makes one more sensitive to subtle disturbances, requiring less and less to bother them. They stated that the spiritual game is one of "less and less" and "letting go game, not a grab more game," leading to the realization that one is already content.
• The Selfish Gain of Sincerity Jevon Perra stated that the "true work" is realizing one is working for themself, as their personality's selfish gains will not bring ultimate contentment or peace. They observed that both the rich and the poor can be happy, and happiness comes from "stopping of the searching".
• Releasing Fear and Insanity Jevon Perra spoke about their current situation of quitting a job and not having an income, which triggers their fear that their family will "die" and it is their fault. They shared the experience of releasing attachments while on vacation, which instantly brought freedom and contentment to their life. They concluded that their ultimate insanity is thinking they are the body and personality that wants accomplishments, and the greatest enemy to the separate identity is love, because love is "all inclusive and abundant".
• Managing Seriousness and Awareness Jevon Perra discussed how unaware they are of many things, using the example of their watch light in sleep mode. They asked Soo Kim if their suggestion to "tread lightly" and "be innocent of the danger" was meant to combat an overly serious nature. Soo Kim confirmed that their goal was to combat their "over seriousness".

Embracing Goofiness and Non-Attachment Jevon Perra shared that they sometimes go from being overly serious to being "overly goofy," which they find fun and a "light life". They concluded that life is not so serious because "you can't die," and if they lose their accomplishments, they asserted, "I'm not my accomplishments".