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The Lightning Podcast S1 E28: Real Vengeance
“Real vengeance has not yet concretely demonstrated its power upon our lives and it never will, in a sense, because if it did, there would be no more lives to be affected by anything.” — René Girard, Dionysus versus the Crucified
This week, join Cyrus Palizban, Zohar Atkins, Rainer Franz, and Harry Jacobs as we delve into a discussion on Rene Girard's theories, particularly focusing on mimetic desire and its role in human conflict and vengeance. According to Girard, envy and rivalry, rooted in the imitation of desires, drive societal and interpersonal conflicts which can lead to cycles of violence and scapegoating. An engaging real-life narrative shared by guest Harry Jacobs about an altercation and its aftermath serves as a practical exploration of the themes of vengeance, justice, and forgiveness, prompting a deeper analysis of human nature, the potential for change, and the moral implications of intervention in conflicts. This is an episode for anyone who has struggled with revenge.
00:00 Welcome to the Lightning Podcast: Exploring Weekly Meditations
00:39 Diving Deep into Rene Girard's Theory of Mimetic Desire
04:18 Understanding Dionysus vs. The Crucified: A Comparative Analysis
11:05 Real-World Implications of Girard's Theories: A Personal Story
15:59 The Ripple Effects of Vengeance and the Power of Restraint
21:45 Exploring the Complexity of Right and Wrong
22:29 The Philosophical Debate: Justice vs. Mercy
23:54 Biblical Insights and Moral Dilemmas
24:37 The Girardian Perspective on Vengeance and Justice
25:45 Human Nature, Violence, and the Potential for Change
29:36 The Role of Emotion in Conflict and Resolution
31:54 Harry's Personal Reflection and Growth
40:15 Concluding Thoughts: The Power of Words Over Violence
Want to continue the discussion? Join us for more learning and discussion in our Meditations and Chronicles WhatsApp groups!
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“Real vengeance has not yet concretely demonstrated its power upon our lives and it never will, in a sense, because if it did, there would be no more lives to be affected by anything.” — René Girard, Dionysus versus the Crucified
This week, join Cyrus Palizban, Zohar Atkins, Rainer Franz, and Harry Jacobs as we delve into a discussion on Rene Girard's theories, particularly focusing on mimetic desire and its role in human conflict and vengeance. According to Girard, envy and rivalry, rooted in the imitation of desires, drive societal and interpersonal conflicts which can lead to cycles of violence and scapegoating. An engaging real-life narrative shared by guest Harry Jacobs about an altercation and its aftermath serves as a practical exploration of the themes of vengeance, justice, and forgiveness, prompting a deeper analysis of human nature, the potential for change, and the moral implications of intervention in conflicts. This is an episode for anyone who has struggled with revenge.
00:00 Welcome to the Lightning Podcast: Exploring Weekly Meditations
00:39 Diving Deep into Rene Girard's Theory of Mimetic Desire
04:18 Understanding Dionysus vs. The Crucified: A Comparative Analysis
11:05 Real-World Implications of Girard's Theories: A Personal Story
15:59 The Ripple Effects of Vengeance and the Power of Restraint
21:45 Exploring the Complexity of Right and Wrong
22:29 The Philosophical Debate: Justice vs. Mercy
23:54 Biblical Insights and Moral Dilemmas
24:37 The Girardian Perspective on Vengeance and Justice
25:45 Human Nature, Violence, and the Potential for Change
29:36 The Role of Emotion in Conflict and Resolution
31:54 Harry's Personal Reflection and Growth
40:15 Concluding Thoughts: The Power of Words Over Violence
Want to continue the discussion? Join us for more learning and discussion in our Meditations and Chronicles WhatsApp groups!
Meditations: https://chat.whatsapp.com/JIFXc06ABCPEsyfUBtvm1U
Chronicles: https://chat.whatsapp.com/FD6M9a35KCE2XrnJrqaGLU
Follow us on other platforms for more content!
Twitter: https://x.com/lightinspires
Instagram: https://instagram.com/lightning.inspiration?igshid=NzZlODBkYWE4Ng==
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lightning-meditations/