The Liminalist: The Podcast Between

The Liminalist # 195: Crossing the Threshold (with Dave Oshana)


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Part One: Identifying the Audience (0 – 25 mins)


Theory of audience mind, introducing Dave to auticulture, a collection of individuals, responding to feedback, telegraphed needs as interferences, in thrall of a nightmare, differing aims, honing in on listeners, in disguise as a spiritual teacher, a Trojan Horse & monkey wrench, punk or rock & roll, Christians choosing denominations, filtering out spiritual seekers, doing a DeNiro, Tuttle in Brazil, punk as social revolt, paranoid listeners, the value of seeing the dark side, seeing past the hoodwink.


Part Two: The Babel Effect (25 - 55 mins)


Skepticism about spiritual teachers, no political solution, skeptics & cynics, troll attack, refusing to look at the evidence, resistance to enlightenment, the religious meaning of enlightenment, the pinnacle of evolution, the Hindu personalists, the impersonal expression of God, many flavors of Buddhism, Zen anarchist communes, Buddha as spiritual superhero, claims of celibacy, guru-fixers, Christian enlightenment, Bible stories, impolite conversations, the inclusive religious, what’s going on in a person, trauma-friendly ideologies & crucial fictions, the Babel effect, ideologues ignoring the body, driven into obsession, manifestations of inner pain, getting past language, fake currency, paper money in place of gold, words blocking transmission, an enlightenment tickle stick, wanking off to words.


Part Three: Locating the Light/Handling the Heart (55 mins - 1 hr 34 mins)


Enlightenment vs. awakening, bliss dialogues, linguistic mine fields, knowing everything vs. not needing to know, happiness over knowledge, laundering enlightenment, right-left-brain-hemi-sync, illumination, locating the light, the commodification of truth concepts, Saul the bounty hunter, Paul's opportunism & the origins of Christianity, Paul diverging from Jesus, reality checking with others, feedback givers, a potential symbiosis, seeking collaborators, taking risks, Jasun’s changing output, a different emphasis, checking out Dave, coming out of the closet, a truth-test, the difference between collaborators and followers, Mr. Jolly’s perspective, a noisy room, sharing the heart, developing trust, a constant feedback cycle, involved in a mystery, an enlivening perspective, the enlightenment transmission, a gathering of trainspotters.


Part Four: Parallel Streams (1 hr 34 mins - end).


Parallel streams, making something visible, synchronicities, striking unexplained overlaps, the bigger picture, different levels of illumination, different angles of perception, a broad roof for the autistic spectrum, rules of connection, a changing policy at Auticulture, caring intolerance, keeping a garden, learning by imitation, anti-gurus by proxy, levels of trust, Jasun not-getting it, rapid results & big changes, why Jasun stuck with Dave, whittling down misconceptions, rubbing off barbs, seeking truthfulness, people who come for the experience, collecting for enlightenment, the fraudulence of techniques & methods, crossing the threshold, making an intervention, always an intermission,bringing participants together, a single tributary, joining the dance, each person’s transmission, Vulcan chess on three different levels, communion in church, obstructing Dave’s trajectory, giving mixed messages, listening to the person’s body, a paper-thin veneer, stickability, when the earth erupts.


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Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; “This Life Gives Force,” by Richard Youngs; “Deep diving, new age crap III,” by Party People in the Can; "Erased" by 

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