The Liminalist: The Podcast Between

The Liminalist # 234: Works in Progress (with Ann Diamond)


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Return conversation with Ann Diamond on the literary world, the rock n' roll industry, and MKULTRA's archetypal hijacking.


Part One: The MKULTRA Key (0 – 26 mins)


A dream of Ann Diamond, MKULTRA past, piecing together a fragmented past, a memory block, Ted Hughes, Ann’s mentor, modeled on Sylvia Plath, a sexual initiation, meeting Hughes as a child, the literary industry, an archetypal template, a world of dark magic, the occult path, The Iron Man, a mess of fragments, researching Sylvia Plath, the next J.D. Salinger, the MKULTRA key, Hughes’ sister & literary executor.


Part Two: Robotized Humans (26 – 49 mins)


Acknowledging memories, MKULTRA dreams, Masonic geography of downtown Montreal, university days, the architecture of English literature, the doll that says no, escaping slavery, finding joy, from mysticism to facts, the turquoise princess syndrome, Cinderella mind control, Lucifer programming, Ewen Cameron’s twin aspects of psychic driving, good cop & bad cop inside the skull, Peter Sellers’ pathology, mother-father imprinting, complexity of culture vs simplicity of nature.


Part Three: An Operator & a Salesman (49 mins – 1 hr 13 mins)


A university course with Andrew Loog Oldham, Rock Dreams, The Rolling Stones & Satanic Majesties, Stones vs The Beatles, dead Paul McCartney, killing rock stars, selling the soul to the devil, copying the gods, Oldham’s openness to paranoid critical theory, 1950s UK, rubble in the streets, a freak for show business, an operator & a salesman, grokking The Who, Stones in Montreal in 1965, generations in Hell, embracing Satan, wise as serpents, harmless as doves.


Part Four: Works in Progress (1 hr 13 mins – end)


The trap of the past, letting go of the drive, half in & half out of MK-culture, a Christian at heart, penetrating the dark, creative tension, individual vs. collective enlightenment, Dave Oshana on success & self-sabotage, audiences small & large, connecting with a salesperson, being blocked as a writer, the downfalls of a wider audience, The Stones’ followers, the ones who lived, when teachers stay small, Leonard Cohen’s Roshi, leaving the door open, Oldham’s descent, we are all works in progress.


Ann Diamond's Blog (essay on her Jaggger-connection)


Songs: “Pirates” and "A Smile" by Entertainment for the Braindead; "Trois Je T'Aime" by  Bigott; “The Husbands Somewhere Out There” by Nina Hynes; “Changes” by Short Hand

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