In this episode we talk to Natalie Bellingham about cleverness in the creative process and how it can turn out limiting it. Starting from 'how to make a show' workshops, we draw the connections between trying to be clever, the pressure to be good and rigidity in the room. Bringing in research materials can be quite useful in a making process, but when is it time to let the questions and the intelect take a break and follow your instinct instead?