It’s a weekly podcast for curious folks ready to explore the art and science of being human from every possible angle: macro, micro, Australian, American, tall, short and everything in between.

In this episode, Jen and Pete draw inspiration from Jen's daughter and discuss what leadership is, and what it takes in order to lead. 

LINK: https://thelongandtheshortpodcast.com 

CONTRIBUTORS: Jen Waldman and Peter Shepherd