Dairus sits down with John Garland, pastor in San Antonio, TX.

John has spent his entire career in ministry serving in places with extreme poverty and suffering, notably along the southern border.

They talk about:
- Suffering as a pit.
- The Gospel as a path.
- Using the Psalms in your prayers.
- The difference between trauma management and stress management. 
- Why and how Christianity has transformed instruments of trauma in redemptive ways.

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