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Derailed by a bad Internet connection and lost audio, we have a long pre-show talk and the most meandering conversation yet. We had fun and hope you will too. We cover topics like how we listen to podcasts, why we changed the podcast name, the history of macOS X names and our suggestions. Diogo brags about his climbing skills, we tell the awesome story of the Mac Mini Macro and getting lost with Apple Maps.

Music: The Wonder by Dave Deeper

Photo: Jad Limcaco