This week the lads get Andy Tiller in from AsiaInfo to pick holes in Gartner’s industry yardstick tool – the Magic Quadrant. Andy’s got some pretty large bees in his bonnet, and it made for a pretty unapologetic conversation – but at no point do we call them corrupt. Honest.

Later on we go over Apple’s bad week, followed by a bit of natter about why no one likes smartwatches. Vodafone gets a pittance of a record-breaking fine, and we bleat on about a Halloween app for Goat-lovers everywhere.

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