This week, I am joined by Diane Pagen, a friend of mine from my days in the Universal Basic Income (UBI) movement and Aimee from First Hand Media. Diane is a social worker who worked for the New York City Department of Education but who ultimately lost her job because she refused to take the covid vaccine. Aimee is a freelance journalist who has reported extensively on the MAHA movement. We discuss the highs and lows of the movement, how it is interacting with the broader political climate at present and where this period of political turmoil and polarization is leading us.