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In this episode, hosts Chris Barkley and Nicholas Buggs dive into current events ranging from recent political incidents to Kanye West's public apology, before exploring the massive success of the Michael Jackson biopic and what it reveals about Hollywood's "interest tent pole" strategy. They discuss how studios now greenlight films based on search trends and IP rather than storytelling merit, and examine the challenges facing independent filmmakers in today's market. The conversation concludes with insights from indie filmmakers Nick Corirossi and Armen Weitzman about their comedy "The Napa Boys" and how Hollywood has commoditized nostalgia at the expense of genuine storytelling.
We also talk about:
• The difference between what audiences want (horror) versus what they need (comedy) based on audience polling
• How modern filmmaking has lost essential storytelling elements that create lasting nostalgia
• The rise of "interest media" and how search algorithms influence film production decisions
• Why physical newsletters and tangible media create deeper fan connections than digital alternatives
• The challenge of maintaining artistic integrity while pursuing commercial success in independent filmmaking
People, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:
People:
Nick Corirossi
Armen Weitzman
Kanye West / Ye
Joe Jackson
Taylor Swift
Jay Leno
Dana White
Joe Rogan
Tucker Carlson
Dick Gregory
Nia Long
Jaafar Jackson
Cheryl Hines
Henry Martínez
BC (Brian Comer, Cards and Capes)
Nick Barnes
Nate Bargatze
Danielle Vega
Andrew Schulz
Companies, Platforms & Organizations:
Panini (trading cards)
Magnolia Pictures
Lionsgate
Netflix
A24
USPS.
Wall Street Journal
Sundance Film Festival
Cannes Film Festival
TIFF
White House Secret Service
US Congress
IMAX
Dolby
Podcasts, Shows & Internal Series:
Mistakes in the Making (series on the MAKE IT Podcast)
Films, TV, IP & Characters:
The Napa Boys
Michael (biopic)
Project Hail Mary
Enemy Mine
Adult Interference
Tár
Oppenheimer
The Passion of the Christ
Ghost
Super Troopers
American Pie
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
He-Man: Masters of the Universe
Rambo
RoboCop
The Goonies
Stand by Me
The Princess Bride
Snow White (2025 Disney remake)
Cruella De Vil
The Wicked Witch of the West
Thanos
Street Fighter II
Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour (concert film)
Albums, Music & Artists:
Kanye West – "Bully"
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Yeezus
Books & Concepts:
Mastering Film Marketing (ebook)
Project Hail Mary (novel)
The Hero's Journey (Joseph Campbell)
Documentaries & Upcoming Projects:
Age of Disclosure
Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day
Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey
Games & Game-Based IP:
Resident Evil
Five Nights at Freddy's
Backrooms (A24 film)
Backrooms (liminal-space concept)
Exit 8
Concepts, Themes & Cultural References:
White House Correspondents' Dinner
DC Sniper
Serenity Prayer
Seinfeld – "Serenity Now"
MeToo Movement
Tourette Syndrome
The Manosphere
Overton Window
Four-quadrant film
Interest tentpoles — Chris's coined concept
Liner notes
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