Dive into a mind-bending conversation with Amos Bar Joseph, co-founder of Swan AI, who is building the world’s first autonomous business — one designed to reach $30 million ARR with only three founders and a fleet of AI agents.

After scaling and exiting two B2B startups under the old “growth-at-all-costs” playbook, Amos realized that era is over. In this episode, he and Sam explore what comes next: an Autonomous Age where scale comes from intelligence, not headcount.

From re-architecting workflows with AI agents to redefining what “company” even means, Amos shares how automation, cognition, and creativity are merging into a new business paradigm — one where humans lead by designing systems, not by managing people.

To learn more about Amos and his work at Swan AI, visit https://getswan.com/