In this compelling episode, I sit down with podcaster and writer Deb Freeman to explore the vibrant history and ongoing evolution of Black foodways in America. Together, we dive into stories of pioneering figures like Lena Richard — the first Black woman to host a cooking show in 1949 New Orleans — and Thomas Downing, the "New York Oyster King," who elevated oysters in fine dining while advocating for abolition. We also discuss James Hemings, the first American-trained chef in France who rose from slavery to culinary prominence and currently trending Edna Lewis.

Beyond history, the conversation covers how Black food culture continues to inspire America today, from grassroots efforts like how oysters and lobster were for poor people and prisoners, to reflections on Juneteenth — what Deb calls the "most American holiday." We talk about the celebraton of legends like Edna Lewis who Deb Freeman produced "Finding Edna Lewis".

Tune in for a thoughtful, flavorful journey through history, culture, and the powerful stories behind the food that brings us together.