Michelle Nijhuis joins to talk about the tragedy of the commons in the context of the history of modern conservation.

Read Michelle's paper: The Miracle of the Commons: The Tragedy of the Commons is a False and Dangerous Myth

Michelle’s Book: Beloved Beasts

Michelle’s other article in The Atlantic: Don’t Cancel John Muir. But don’t excuse him either.

Music: Hidden Agenda by Kevin MacLeod; Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3872-hidden-agenda; License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license