Michael Kirwan SJ is a theologian with a particular interest in political theology and who lectures in the Loyola Institute of Catholic theology in Trinity College Dublin.

This interview by Zoom with Pat Coyle on Wednesday 3 June 2020 took place against the backdrop of the anti-racist protests across the United States of America after the murder of George Floyd by white police officers and the concerns regarding the militarised response to those protests at the behest of President Donald Trump.

Michael begins by exploring the rise of what some commentators are calling ‘new fascism’.