Besides being a dynamic presence in any Zoom meeting (from our personal experience), Kathy is an expert on leading people through change, and she's made it her life's mission to be an agent of positive change wherever her career has led her.

Along with this awesome conversation, we all had some awesome reads to recommend:

(We're including links to find these great books on Amazon, because that's easy, but we always encourage you to find them at your favorite local book store!!)

Out of the Silence: After the Crash

Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance

The Good Lord Bird