This is a most interesting and revealing podcast. Gary talks about a friend who, in Gary’s assessment, is the most unusual person he has ever met. And when you hear about this man, you will most certainly agree! But, what you will also learn is that this man is, undoubtedly, more than just a friend. He represents something that we are all too familiar with, and that is our present state which Paul calls the “wretched man!” Also, a conversation between Gary and his friend led to the subject of metaphysics, which Gary notes means “beyond or after the physical.” What you will find here is how all of this relates to the wretchedness of our carnal state, its rejection by God, and the absolute necessity that we are caught up to heaven and there transformed into our immortal spiritual body. And finally here, you will see that this is precisely what the Father was setting forth with the two offspring of Abraham—first Ishmael and then Isaac.