What if misogyny is not the hatred of women - but a phobia? What if patriarchy is not a power structure - but a pathology? And what if we could trace these twin phenomena back to their point of origin like we can trace the eruption and evolution of a virus? Elle has a rapid-fire conversation with trauma specialist and scholar Christine Forner about tracing patriarchy and misogyny back through - not just history, but the evolution of human neurobiology.

Between her scholarship in the field of trauma and dissociation and 35 years as a clinical practitioner, looking at thousands of cases of human-on-human harm - Christine reflects that the human species as a whole is a traumatized species. That we now might be stuck in a self-perpetuating cycle of trauma and neglect, in a world culture in which neither men nor women, boys nor girls can thrive. 

But as someone who heals very broken humans for a living, Christine also shares what we need to do to cure ourselves, of misogyny and patriarchy, and the remedies are deceptively simple and completely within our human capacity.