First up this week, Pete and Andy take on ultra-podcasting—long, LONG-form episodes—and the people who love them. Then, they shift gears to discuss Google's intriguing, yet uncanny, AI experiment, NotebookLM, which uses artificial intelligence to transform research notes into simulated podcast discussions.

Finally, Apple's surprising decision to launch a web-based version of Apple Podcasts, making it accessible on devices outside the Apple ecosystem for the first time, might just unlock wonderful new places to listen to podcasts out side the app itself.

Links & Notes

• Podcasters Ditch Short Episodes in Favor of Four-Hour Conversations Ashley Carman, Bloomberg
• Google is using AI to make fake podcasts from your notes by Emma Roth, The Verge
• NotebookLM Audio Overviews
• Apple Podcasts available on the web, Apple PR