This is the one where we welcome JJ Tuttle as a guest on the podcast. It is the one where we talk about metrics and church size. It's the one where we talk about the importance of stories, why it is easier to preach when people show up, and about the importance of longevity in ministry. It's ultimately the one where we realize that growth is important and exciting, but can't be the only metric we use to measure the health of a church!