In this episode, Nate is getting ready to go on sabbatical which prompts the question, what is a sabbatical and why would a pastor need such a thing. Which leads us into a discussion about the nature of "paying a pastor" and how a transactional view that sees a pastor's salary through a consumeristic lens can often hinder ministry. We also talk about Michael's workouts, Nate's improv, and all sorts of other things like our kids who are dating... (This episode was recorded before they got engaged! I'm sure we will discuss this on our next show!!)