Welcome to the very first episode of Leading the Scale-Up — the new podcast series from Ben Morton, leadership coach, keynote speaker, and host of The Leader’s Kitbag.

This show isn’t about leadership theory.

It’s about the real-world challenge of scaling a start-up or growing a business within a business — and what it takes to lead through the chaos.

In this episode, I’m joined by Frank Mattes, award-winning thought leader and creator of the Lean Scaleup framework.

With over 20 years of experience helping companies like Airbus, BASF, and Allianz scale innovation into commercial success, Frank shares the hard truths and actionable tactics behind building new business models within corporate settings.

In this episode, we explore:

• The four stages of the scaling journey — from discovery to profitable growth.
• Why 29 out of 30 corporate start-up initiatives fail, and how to shift the odds in your favour.
• The friction between ‘Red Shirt’ operators and ‘Blue Shirt’ innovators — and how to build the bridge.
• Why culture isn’t an afterthought but a non-negotiable foundation for scaling.
• What makes a great “ambidextrous leader” — and how to find or develop them inside your org.

You’ll also hear powerful corporate stories, including:

• The real story behind Kodak’s collapse (and how Fujifilm quietly succeeded).
• How Amazon’s early leadership principles laid the groundwork for global innovation

Whether you’re an MD, CEO, or newly tasked scale-up leader, this episode is essential listening.

Your Key Takeaways:

• How to spot the difference between innovation theatre and meaningful transformation
• When and how to protect the core business while launching something new
• The leadership mindsets and structures that make scale-ups succeed

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Learn More About Frank Mattes

Explore the Lean Scaleup framework and grab a free chapter of his book at: www.leanscaleup.com/book

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