In this unflinching and wide-ranging conversation, Robyn welcomes back bestselling coach and author Nicole Cherie Hesse, whose new novel A Shadow Called Sunshine is fiction-ish, soul-coded, and anything but self-help as usual.

This episode explores:

• Why Nicole wrote a novel instead of a business book

• The dangers of turning survivorship into an identity

• How trauma bonding gets masqueraded as empowerment

• The rise of the relatable trauma brand—and why Nicole’s not here for it

• The cultural spell of Twilight, 50 Shades, and “healing” arcs that leave women stuck

• What it means to choose the pattern interrupt

• The So That What movement and how it builds beyond #MeToo

Plus, we reflect on our own experiences with narcissistic abuse, spiritual trauma, and what it means to hold radical responsibility without shame.

If you’ve ever been sold the story that being chosen by a powerful person was the win—this one will set the record (and your nervous system) straight.

• Order A Shadow Called Sunshine: sothatwhat.org

• Join the So That What Telegram group: sothatwhat.org

• Connect with Nicole: @unicornsonlyauthor on IG

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