Today's mini episode features an intimate interview with our lovely Chelsey and James Vreeken! They get personal with the  honest truth of marital challenges that are commonly present when the road to parenthood is longer than expected.  We get their advice on how to work through  feelings of failure and blame connected to infertility  together as a couple.  We highlight the parts of their relationship that are most affected by this trial and how couple's therapy combined with individual therapy has  helped them to navigate and process the stresses of this journey.  James and Chelsey choose to invest in their relationship in creative ways by finding individual hobbies that bring purpose and joy in face of the heavy identity that infertility can bring.  We admire their sacrificial teamwork that has helped them to find answers for their family as well as their beautiful ability to laugh at the comical and  unbelievable situations that this topic brings to our marriages.