In this episode, bestselling author and thought leader Erwin McManus joins hosts Kelly and Jay as their first guest on Level Up Loan Officer for an unforgettable conversation about human potential, mindset transformation, and the power of narrative.

Erwin shares profound insights on why negative emotions stick while positive ones flee, how to navigate depression through managing expectations versus reality, and why taking personal responsibility is the key to change. He challenges us to stop listening to our negative self-talk and start talking back to those inner voices that hold us back.

Whether you're a loan officer navigating client relationships or anyone seeking personal growth, this episode delivers actionable wisdom on understanding human frequencies, serving others authentically, and becoming the highest version of yourself.