This episode is a call-in version to discuss the enigma known as Jordan Lucas. Lucas is an outside hitter for Cal-Northridge - a division I team in the most competitive conference in the NCAA. This covers the controversial comments made by Charlie Brand, the responsibility of the ref, and a nuanced discussion on the conflicting forces of self-expression vs crossing the line (or not).

01:31 - Don't say. Show. Player reactions to Charlie Brand comments regarding Jordan Lucas

08:11 - Comment section reaction: does this start with the referee? Is this a taunt too far, or self-expression? More breakdown of the reaction.

22:53 - Should the commentator lose his job? Also, understanding the "pecking order" of taunting friends on the other side of the net.

40:11 - "turning" the right way: take lessons, plus, what does "safe space" mean? And are people severely underestimating Jordan's thick skin?

55:11 - How did we get here, and the difficulty of a color commentator not having the luxury of a second take, plus, his eyebrow game is fierce