What helps you keep moving forward when life or work feels harder than you expected?

In this episode of Becoming Unshakable, I'm joined by Wendy-Jo Toyama, CEO of the American Epilepsy Society, for a thoughtful conversation about leadership, resilience, and the moments that shape who we become. Wendy shares how a difficult chapter in her career forced her to rethink what leadership looked like and why trying to become someone else would never be the answer.

We talk about the influence of competitive gymnastics, where falling was expected, but getting back up was part of the process. That mindset has stayed with Wendy throughout her career, helping her approach setbacks with perspective rather than panic. She explains why mistakes are part of leadership and why the way we respond to them often matters more than the mistake itself.

Our conversation also explores the value of curiosity, executive coaching, and habit-building to help leaders stay energized during demanding periods. Wendy shares why pausing can lead to better decisions, how she avoids becoming a barrier to her team, and the questions she asks herself before offering feedback or stepping into situations others are fully capable of handling.

One of the most memorable parts of our discussion centers on finding the right environment to lead. Wendy reflects on working in a culture that didn't bring out her best and how that experience ultimately gave her the confidence to embrace her own leadership style. We also discuss the importance of maintaining strong professional relationships and how your network often becomes most valuable during life's unexpected transitions.

As we wrap up, Wendy offers practical advice for anyone facing uncertainty. She reminds us that every career has difficult seasons, but those seasons do pass. Sometimes the greatest progress comes after asking ourselves the hardest questions and having the courage to make a change when it's needed.

What does getting to the other side of hard look like for you, and what lessons have those experiences taught you? I'd love to hear your thoughts.