On this episode of Chasing Joy, Spencer and Bryan find unexpected wisdom in a pasta-making class in Florence, milestone birthdays, and everyday life.

Two summers ago, twelve of us stood around a long wooden table in Florence. Same flour, same eggs, same instructions from a sweet Italian teacher who learned the recipe from her mother and grandmother before her. Twelve completely different doughs.

Bryan has been thinking about that class ever since.

This week, with Wayne off chasing some new endeavors, Spencer and Bryan sit with the question underneath that pasta class and a few others like it. Where do we actually learn the things that change us? What happens when the obvious teachers (pain, tragedy, a wrecked car, a hard birthday) aren't the only ones in the room?

There's a heron rearranging the social order of an estuary. A dog named Daisy who keeps teaching Spencer about faith. And a closing thought on what it means to suspend judgment and stay curious.

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