Today in The Pat Chat: long time pal and fellow photographer and podcaster Judy Stephens joins Pat to talk about photography and how it led her into the cosplay space. We talk about her time at Marvel, spearheading various initiatives like Marvel: Becoming and the Women of Marvel and how this leads to her upcoming book! Plus, learn why photography is one of the most fun ways to make friends.  Judy on Instagram: @omgdjjudy Pre Order her book here: Cosplay the Marvel Way: A Guide to Costuming Culture and Crafting Basics

Music for the show by Sleepy Sword. Graphics designed by Turn On Red. Follow Pat on Instagram and Bluesky.