What does the perfect developer education look like? Carl and Richard talk to Thomas Betts about how he learned about software development, and how he has taught others. The conversation dives into the diversity of education, including the power of a liberal arts education to provide key skills like communication, teamwork and communication. Oh, and also, communication! This wide-ranging conversation also dives into the differences in generations of developers, adding new skills when you're an experienced developer, and more!