This episode is a flashback to a Zoom conversation we recorded on May 6th, 2020 - almost two months after California's COVID shutdown, and a few days after the video of the tragic death of Ahmaud Arbery leaked online. Donzell speaks to many of the issues and the ideology behind the Black Lives Matter movement - many of which only became more widespread after the death of George Floyd 3 weeks later. Ginger is sad, but gets informed.....and as usual, there's always a "Karen" in the mix.