In this engaging conversation, TM and Joel Wingo explore the journey of personal growth, the transition from ministry to therapy, and the importance of authentic communication in relationships. We discuss the role of faith in shaping identity, the challenges of burnout, and the need for community support in navigating life's difficulties. Joel shares insights on mental health, the crisis in relationships, and practical steps for fostering healthy communication. The metaphor of rhinos symbolizes faith and action, emphasizing the power of community in overcoming obstacles.

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