Professor, writer, and activist Dr. Joy James joins the show to discuss her work around abolition. More specifically, we look at what Dr. James calls "academic abolitionism", the role that academics play in halting or co-opting revolutionary organizing, the current state of the prison abolition movement, and why it is revolutionary to start our political organizing with one simple question: what do Black children need?

Felicia Denaud joins as co-host. 

The beat you hear was produced by JayOhAye, and you can hear more here. 

The painting on the cover art is "J.D. McClain’s Day in Court" (1970) by Jeff Donaldson.

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