The right voices don't shrink you. They sharpen you.
In Episode 3 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles unpack the relationships that actually shape who you become, and the social media facades that are stealing your real ones.

In this episode:

• Why most of the people you call "friends" don't actually know you
• How social media trained you to be transactional, not relational
• How Mike and Charles really met (and the Golden State Warriors moment)
• The Tim Ross dining room table moment
• Why Natalie is not Mike's soulmate (and the difference between a soulmate and a soul match)
• Honesty vs. transparency, and why one of them will heal you
• Why "submission" isn't a scary word
• The James 5:16 healing that doesn't come from the pulpit
• Why every person needs a Paul, a Barnabas, and a Timothy

If you've been carrying everything alone, leading lonely, building lonely, healing lonely, this episode is for you.

We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.

New episodes every Friday.

Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf

You prayed for clarity, but what you needed was courage.
In Episode 2 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles sit down to talk about the showdown every leader eventually faces: when comfort and calling collide.

In this episode:

• Why discomfort is the tool God uses to develop you
• The "manufactured pressure" you create that isn't actually your calling
• Mike's drum pillow story
• The Stephen Furtick call and the Marked merchandise disaster
• The Land Rover confession
• Why Charles walked away from his own church plant
• Crying in the DSW shoe section
• What it actually means to be disciplined, and how it makes you a disciple
• The difference between needing clarity and needing courage

Mentioned in this episode: Mike's sermon "Cuffed to Comfort."
We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.
New episodes every Friday.
Follow the show: Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf

The picture of perfect we had is because people never showed us their progress.
Welcome to Episode 1 of the POP Podcast, the inaugural conversation between Mike and Charles, 3 years in the making. In this opener, they unpack why perfectionism is the silent killer of your purpose, and why the path forward is progression, not performance.

In this episode:

• Why perfection is expensive but progression is free
• The labels you accept that become your limits
• How comparison silently kills your progression
• The Bella science test story
• What your spouse would say you need to progress in
• The Theology + Therapy + Community framework that anchors this whole season
• Why your obedience to God matters more than anyone's opinion

If you've been carrying the weight of trying to be perfect, this is your permission to progress. We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph. New episodes every Friday.

Follow the show:
Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf