How does a white, evangelical, ethically Dutch pastor end up becoming a voice for Biblical racial redemption? Mark Vroegop joins us to talk about how lament has transformed him and given us all a common language when it comes to working through this often painful, difficult and divisive topic. Mark shares insights from his latest book, Weep With Me, and also addresses responding to critical moments of national importance, the implications of allowing racial redemption to be politicized or weaponized and his own personal cost and gain of living out lament.