This Episode Andy has a conversation with Larry Cramer (see bio below) about ‘The Power of 4’ which is 4 people we must have in our lives as leaders. 

Larry Cramer serves as the Lead Kids Pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley (CCV) in Arizona, where he oversees children’s ministry across multiple campuses. A former police officer, Larry brings a unique blend of discipline, leadership, and compassion to his ministry role. He is known for creating engaging, Christ-centered environments that inspire kids to take meaningful steps in their faith. Under his guidance, CCV has developed custom curriculum and ministry models that prioritize fun, developmental relevance, and deep spiritual formation. Larry is married and the proud dad of two daughters, and his passion is to see children connect with Jesus, build lasting relationships, and grow within a vibrant church community.