In times of uncertainty, many of us feel disoriented — unsure of our roles, our medicine, or even what to call ourselves anymore. In this heartfelt, unscripted conversation, HeatherAsh sits down with longtime friend and teacher, Sarah Marshank, to explore what it means to live, lead, and practice in truly liminal times.

Together, they reflect on devotion and boredom, grief and meditation, and the courage it takes to stay present in the unknown. Rather than trying to fix what’s broken, they invite us into a deeper relationship with prayer, presence, and the timeless web of life that connects us all.

This episode is a gentle but powerful reminder that real transformation doesn’t come from control or certainty — it comes from listening, slowing down, and remembering who we are beneath our strategies. If you’re feeling exhausted or unsure, this conversation offers a grounded, compassionate place to rest and re-orient.

Episode Highlights:

1. Why so many helping professionals are in an identity crisis right now
2. The difference between fixing and listening
3. Liminal times as an invitation, not a problem to solve
4. How boredom, grief, and stillness restore inner energy
5. Devotion as conversation, not obligation
6. Why practice is a long-haul path, not a quick fix
7. Letting go of specialness and discovering true uniqueness
8. Learning to walk in the dark together without needing answers

Resources & Links:

1. Learn more about Sarah:https://selfistry.com/meet-sarah/
2. Michael Meade's Podcast Episode: Bringing Back the Light
3. Joanna Macy— Referenced for her teachings onThe Great Turning/ the “fourth turning,” which frame collapse and emergence as simultaneous processes within both individuals and collective systems.

Meet Sarah

Sarah Marshank is a spiritual cartographer for the modern human — a mystic with a map.

Rooted in ancient wisdom and sharpened by lived experience, she weaves the sacred and the practical into a system (Selfistry) that helps humans not just wake up — but show up. She's part monk, part mentor, part philosopher-poet, guiding high-achieving seekers to peel back the layers of identity, embrace the non-dual, and meet life with an integrated and embodied presence.

Whether leading retreats internationally, sparking inquiry in her clients, tending to her local community, or officiating weddings with reverence and wisdom, Sarah walks her talk. She’s not selling transformation — she’s offering a path to wholeness that doesn’t skip the mess.