Welcome to a special episode of the Cause+Effect Podcast! Today, Trent Dunham is joined by his long-time collaborator and friend, Nils Smith. This episode explores the role of trust in leadership and how it shapes career transitions, business, and ministry. Nils reflects on his nine years at Dunham+Company, highlighting moments of growth and how trust has been a cornerstone of his unconventional journey from pastoral ministry to innovation. He shares insights on viewing ministry and calling through a broader lens while maintaining a 50,000-foot perspective on life and leadership.  

Trent and Nils also discuss the dynamics of empowering employees to take risks and the “coaching tree” concept, which celebrates the impact of team members as they go on to new opportunities. This conversation is a testament to the power of vision, trust, and the lasting influence leaders can have on those they inspire.