Sean talks with Elle Herman about the varieties and modalities of fascism and the carceral dynamics at stake in the institution of criminal prosecution. Elle recently gave a talk for the Karasu Philosophical Society in Albuquerque titled "The Problem of Prosecuting Fascism." In the talk, she focuses on two recent prosecutions of notorious 2020 American vigilantes: Kyle Rittenhouse's trial for fatally shooting Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum and non-fatal shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz at the Jacob Blake protests in Kenosha, WI; and the trial of the McMichaels and William Bryan for the pursuit and murder of Ahmaud Arbery around Brunswick, GA.

On Monday, the McMichaels were each sentenced to life in prison +, while Bryan received a sentence to serve 35 years. While Sean interviewed Elle last week, the problems she approaches in her talk are all the more significant to consider in light of these sentencings. Listen to our brief interview at the beginning followed by a recording of Elle Herman's talk, "The Problem of Prosecuting Fascism," from earlier this year.

Elle Herman is, among other things, a union and labor organizer and doctoral student at UNM. 

We will release a video of this talk in the next couple of weeks. Special thanks to Idris Robinson and the Karasu Philosophical Society for sending us a recording of this talk.

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