Stories of child abuse or the death a child shock us, and they should. But how much do you know about the systems that are supposed to prevent this? We talk to several moms who went through New York's "child welfare system" wringer. They decided to do something better to support parents and became part of the community at Rise. These moms and our other guests talk about why our "family policing" system doesn't work. And how we could replace it with strategies that actually support safe and healthy families. Full transcript and useful links at https://www.beyondpunishment.org/problem-with-punishment/ep4-punishing-parents