On episode 207 of The Quarantine Tapes, guest host Lena Herzog is joined by journalist Chris Hedges. Author of War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning and America: The Farewell Tour, Chris joins Lena to discuss the pandemic and the other challenges of this moment in history.

Chris and Lena break down the ultimatum given to us by the pandemic. They dig deep into the history of war, the current state of the media, and the threats facing us from a collapsing environment. Their conversation is steeped in historical context and offers a thoughtful reflection on our moment and what it will take to move forward out of this time.