On episode 213 of The Quarantine Tapes, guest host Jacqueline Novogratz is joined by Maria Popova. A writer and the creator of The Marginalian, formerly Brain Pickings, Maria talks with Jacqueline about her perspective on this moment and how we move through the world in both ordinary and extraordinary times.

Maria and Jacqueline spend this special episode digging into poetry, the importance of beauty, the meaning of hope, and much more. Maria tells Jacqueline about her childhood memories growing up in Bulgaria. They break down the relationship between hope and cynicism and discuss Maria’s new children’s book, The Snail with the Right Heart.