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The CIPA staff have been reviewing the way they support BAME communities within the IP industry. We've realised that, while there has been progress with diversity in the sector, it needs to take a front seat in the way we think from now on. In a special episode of Two IPs In A Pod, Chief Executive Lee Davies and Honorary Secretary Gwilym Roberts talk with staff members Kathryn Espino, Kereiss Isles and Dwaine Hamilton about their personal experiences with racism and explore the challenges that they face on a daily basis. We at CIPA HQ are no longer comfortable acting passively on this. The need to speak out and challenge others and ourselves is crucial in order for us to move forward, no matter how uncomfortable the conversation. Only then we will find out what we can do individually and collectively to be better allies in diversity.