In the episode four of season four, on queer performance, Jana and Beth are joined by the extraordinary Emma Valente of the performance collective The Rabble. The conversation explores

queer as advertisement or queer as a political project, our visual commonplaces, violence against women as always true and inevitable, Rihanna and Rosie Batty, masculine and feminine ways of making art, having an ensemble, cages and liberation, Alison Croggon, the 'fuck it' moment in making art, the rise of the Melbourne indie scene, rolling pins, how pornography can be so, so boring, having a coffee with anyone who asks, Story of O, the importance of context in staging a provocative work, and how backing an artist means giving them three shots.