On this episode of The Real Issue Podcast, Rob provides a transparent look into how he got into apologetics after his salvation. He traces the history of encountering the two volume, Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell and his years in the counter cult apologetics movement reading and learning from the great Walter Martin. But later on, there were two apologists that helped him through their books and talks that broadened his perspective on the defense of the faith. One was Norman Geisler, starting with his book Christian Apologetics.  But Ravi Zacharias, his methodology, and his approach to speaking to the hardened skeptic has been left the biggest impression on Rob.  In this episode, Rob shares what he has learned from Ravi, his five grid approach to the defense of the faith, and what it means to love the person possessing the objections hindering their way for coming to Christ.