What if coding is no longer about writing code, but about thinking, prompting, and building with AI? In this episode of The Real Work Podcast, we explore the discipline and strategy behind navigating the new AI landscape with Ben Novak. Ben is an AI product builder and search expert specializing in helping organizations transition from traditional enterprise search to modern AI-driven solutions. He shares his journey from fifteen years as a product manager at JPMorgan Chase to building next-generation search sites using tools like Claude Code. We dive into the "real work" of vibe coding—an iterative, feel-based approach to development where you talk to the AI to bring ideas to life without needing to master complex programming languages. Ben explains how Claude Code physically manipulates files on your machine to create content and deploy updates, acting as a tireless partner in the building process. Key Topics Covered:-The Shift in Search: Moving from keyword-based search to intelligent systems using embeddings and Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG). -Claude vs. Claude Code: Understanding the difference between a chat interface and a tool that actively writes and manages your file system. -The "ClaudeMD" File: How to create a "memory" for your project to ensure the AI follows your specific parameters every time. -Accelerating Work: Using AI as an accelerant to handle mundane tasks and "slog," allowing for more creative and high-level thinking. -The Learning Curve: Practical tips on prompting techniques and using tools like NotebookLM to stay ahead. 0:00 – Intro: What is Claude Code?2:30 – Beyond the Chatbot: Agentic Development7:15 – Setting up the Environment12:45 – The Iteration Loop: Prompt, Test, Refine18:20 – Managing Large Codebases with AI25:00 – Integrity and Impact in AI Product Design32:10 – The Future of the "Developer" RoleAbout Our Guest:Ben Novak brings deep experience in enterprise search architecture and taxonomy design, combined with a practical, execution-focused approach to AI development.🔗 Connect with Ben: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-novak-a567374🌐 Visit Ben’s Website: https://www.bennovak.com/ (Built with Claude Code!) ✨ The Real Work PodcastThe Real Work Podcast explores the discipline, strategy, and mistakes behind meaningful work—from founders and educators to operators and leaders navigating real change.Shop This Episode:HyperX QuadCast S Microphone: https://go.shopmy.us/p-54709769QUINCE Stretch Crepe Cinched Waist Blazer: https://go.shopmy.us/p-54627701(#earnscommissions)Explore AI Tools:ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/Claude: https://claude.ai/Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/The Real Work of Coding with AI: Claude Code & Product Building with Ben Novak: How AI & Claude Code are Changing How to Build#AI #ClaudeCode #VibeCoding #EnterpriseSearch #TheRealWorkPodcast #BenNovak #TechStrategy