In this conversation, Roger Mckenzie and Radhika Desai discuss the themes presented in Mckenzie's book, 'The Rebirth of the African Phoenix.' They explore the geopolitical significance of Africa, the role of the African diaspora, and the historical context of the third world. The discussion delves into personal experiences of identity and belonging, the impact of racism, and the necessity of creating communities of resistance against imperialism. They also touch on the complex issues of reparations and historical injustices, emphasizing the interconnectedness of these themes in the fight for social justice. In this conversation, Radhika Desai and Roger Mckenzie discuss the complexities of reparations, the historical injustices faced by nations like India and Africa, and the importance of focusing on current generations' development. They explore the role of identity in the reparations debate, emphasizing the need for equality and non-discrimination. The discussion also highlights China's growing partnership with Africa, contrasting it with Western imperialist practices, and calls for a more nuanced understanding of international relations and development.