Hour two turns into a full-on college sports gut check: Qualkinbush joins to praise Clemson women’s bounce-back grit at Notre Dame, explain why the men keep winning without a “star,” and then unload on the Luke Ferrelli/Ole Miss tampering saga — the silence from Oxford, the agent angle, and why this feels like a hinge point for Dabo and the sport.

Swanny closes with the Duke–Darian Mensah settlement, arguing the system’s chaos is finally spilling into courtrooms — and warning that if rules don’t get enforced, the whole thing keeps sliding.

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