In this episode, Ben and Joe meet in person for the first time, and are joined by guests Anthony Caulkins and Nathan Atwater (Brother Nate) of Sap and Claw Elixir, and singer/songwriter Alma Cook. We talk about separating the art from the artist, politics and the arts, and more.

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