The Relocated South African | Emigration stories

Marc Christensen left Durban for the UK in 2001 with a simple plan: spend a couple of years overseas and then return home.

Twenty-four years later, he is still in Scotland.

After an initial spell in London, Marc discovered Glasgow and immediately felt that it reminded him of Durban. He packed a few bags, jumped on a bus and started again.

In this episode, Marc talks openly about:

• Growing up in Durban and leaving South Africa at 21
• His first experiences living overseas
• Why London never felt like home
• Discovering Glasgow and making the move north
• Building a career from working in pubs to sales and IT
• The guilt that came with being away when his mother died
• Co-parenting his son after divorce
• Running South African community groups in Scotland
• Helping South Africans find work, accommodation and support
• Why he believes immigrants shouldn't automatically "start from the bottom"
• The cost-of-living difference between London and Scotland
• Why he believes South Africans should look beyond London
• Building a remote recruitment business connecting South African talent with international companies
• Scotland's weather, safety and what has changed over the years
• What he would tell a young South African considering leaving home

Marc's story is also about giving back. After building a life abroad, he is now using his experience and network to help other South Africans create opportunities for themselves.

"You've got one life and you've got to live it for you, not for other people."

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TIMESTAMPS

00:01 – Welcome to Marc in Glasgow
02:18 – Growing up in Durban
03:58 – Leaving South Africa in 2001
04:58 – Getting British citizenship
05:25 – First experiences living overseas
06:51 – Arriving in London
08:30 – Discovering Glasgow
09:18 – Moving to Scotland with a few bags
10:51 – Finding work and building a life
12:06 – Moving from pub work into sales and IT
14:42 – Did he ever consider going back?
16:09 – Family, loss and the guilt of being away
18:19 – The emotional impact of emigration
20:05 – Building South African community groups in Scotland
22:30 – Why he doesn't want to commercialise the community
23:58 – The biggest mistakes South Africans make when relocating
24:10 – Why starting from the bottom can be a mistake
26:43 – The impact of relocation on relationships
28:34 – London versus Scotland: cost of living
30:12 – The cappuccino test
30:53 – His experience running a South African restaurant
32:38 – Starting a new business after leaving employment
35:00 – Building a remote recruitment business
36:35 – Connecting South African talent with international companies
39:12 – Giving back to South Africa
39:51 – Life and weather in Scotland
41:16 – Has Scotland become less safe?
44:03 – Haggis, black pudding and Scottish food
45:41 – Marc's advice to young South Africans

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Sharon Constançon left South Africa after a hijacking changed the way she viewed her future.

Originally from Cape Town, Sharon had already built a successful career and business in South Africa when the security incident made her ask a simple question: if she couldn't safely travel two miles between her office and home, why was she living there?

She moved to the UK, where she has now spent more than two decades. Along the way she built a career with the South African Chamber of Commerce and went on to build not one, but two very different businesses.

Today Sharon runs Valufin, a foreign exchange and risk management business helping importers and exporters manage currency exposure, and Genius Boards, where she works with boards, CEOs and senior management on governance, board effectiveness and the dynamics that determine how organisations actually work.

But this conversation goes well beyond business.

We talk about growing up in South Africa, educating herself after being discouraged from pursuing further education, leaving South Africa, the importance of having family already in the UK, relationships and emigration, the realities of integrating into British life, why some South Africans struggle with being pigeonholed professionally, and what she misses most about home.

Sharon also shares her thoughts on the cost of living in the UK, the price of a £6.50 cappuccino, safety in South Africa, and whether she could ever see herself moving back permanently.

Her answer is revealing: she doesn't regret leaving, but she hasn't stopped being South African either.

Quote of the episode:

“Nothing is on a plate. Nothing is given to you on a plate.”

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TIMESTAMPS

00:11 – Welcome and introduction

01:17 – Winning the Away Game feature

02:49 – Growing up in Cape Town and Johannesburg

04:49 – Education, mobility and the UK connection

06:03 – The security incident that changed everything

07:57 – Returning to South Africa after ten years

09:03 – Having family already in the UK

11:15 – Helping South Africans through the Chamber

12:45 – Why some South Africans return to Cape Town

15:14 – Property and financial ties to South Africa

16:28 – Relationships and the reality of emigration

18:59 – Finding your South African community abroad

20:30 – Being South African in the UK

21:09 – Building two very different businesses

24:01 – Running a global team

25:45 – Governance and working with South Africa

27:21 – UK and South African governance

29:34 – Board accountability

31:45 – South Africans and the work ethic

34:19 – What Sharon misses from South Africa

36:48 – South African or British?

37:30 – The cost of living in the UK

39:33 – The £6.50 cappuccino

40:55 – Safety and returning to South Africa

42:55 – Would she do it again?

44:38 – How to connect with Sharon

44:58 – Closing thoughts

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Connect with Sharon Constançon:

LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/sharonconstancon

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Dale Lyell grew up in Johannesburg, joined the Safmarine Merchant Navy after matric and spent years travelling the world on container ships, bulk carriers and even the QE2.

In 1998, Dale and his South African wife left South Africa for Canada. They arrived with no job waiting, very little support and no guarantee that things would work out.

What followed was a fascinating journey of starting again, finding community, building a new career and eventually establishing a successful technology business.

Dale talks openly about why he left South Africa, the reality of those early years, adapting to Canada, raising a son with South African roots and the safety mindset that many South Africans carry with them long after they leave.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:13 — Welcome to Dale in Ontario, Canada
01:35 — Growing up in Johannesburg and joining Safmarine
02:51 — Life on container ships and the QE2
04:58 — Dale's Canadian connection
06:43 — Why he left South Africa in 1998
08:47 — Crime, safety and quality of life
10:10 — Arriving in Canada with no job
11:54 — Starting again without a support network
13:40 — Finding community through martial arts
16:23 — Integrating into Canadian society
18:36 — Finding work and building a career
20:47 — Dale's technology business
22:01 — From a chocolate factory to technology
24:45 — Doing business in Canada
25:46 — Healthcare in Canada
28:06 — Raising a son with South African roots
30:35 — Family left behind in South Africa
32:10 — Staying connected to home
34:02 — Getting used to safety in Canada
35:11 — The difference in everyday life
36:43 — Dale's love of travel
38:53 — Advice for South Africans considering emigration
42:28 — What he would do differently
43:24 — Expectations and the five-year cycle
45:27 — Never give up
45:33 — Canada vs South Africa
47:10 — Final thoughts

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Quinton Pullinger’s story is anything but a straight line.

He grew up in Springs, South Africa, trained as a goldsmith, and then took an unexpected leap to Taiwan after seeing an advert to teach English. What he thought would be a one-year adventure became nearly nine years.

In Taiwan he learned Mandarin, built a career in the bicycle industry, travelled extensively and learned how to adapt to a completely different culture. He eventually moved into senior roles, including an eight-and-a-half-year journey with Brompton, before another opportunity took him to the UK in 2008.

Now, after 18 years in Britain, Quinton is asking a question many long-term South African expats eventually face: could South Africa become home again?

We talk about:

• Leaving South Africa with no long-term plan
• Arriving alone in Taiwan and surviving the first six months
• Learning Mandarin and adapting to a new culture
• Why negative expat thinking can hold people back
• Building an international career by saying “yes” to opportunities
• His journey through the bicycle industry and Brompton
• Starting again in the UK with no contacts
• Raising a family abroad and how that changes your risk profile
• The NHS and the UK cost of living
• Why Cape Town would be his choice if he returned to South Africa
• Whether a part-time “swallow” lifestyle could work
• His advice to his younger self: be more adventurous and take more risks

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Introduction
01:27 Weybridge and life near London
02:41 Growing up in Springs
06:00 The unexpected move to Taiwan
07:14 Learning Mandarin and surviving the first six months
09:16 Working and living in Taiwan
13:26 Returning to South Africa — and leaving again
15:10 Building a career in the bicycle industry
16:06 Why he eventually left Taiwan
18:13 Getting the opportunity to move to the UK
20:12 Meeting his wife and starting a family
21:08 Moving abroad alone
22:26 The danger of negative expat thinking
25:32 Values, friendships and identity abroad
26:08 A career built without a plan
29:44 Starting over in the UK
31:08 The mindset needed to make emigration work
33:49 Could South Africa become home again?
36:14 Why Cape Town would be his choice
37:33 Could a part-time return work?
39:33 South Africa, France or the UK?
40:14 The NHS and healthcare
42:32 The UK cost of living
44:08 What would he do differently?
46:21 How family changes your risk profile
47:17 Advice to his younger self
48:56 Staying true to your values
50:05 Final thoughts

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Wynand Kuhn's move to Chile was never part of a grand plan.

Born and raised in Upington, Wynand was working in the restaurant industry in Durban when his brother-in-law invited him to Chile in 2005 to help set up a South African-themed restaurant.

He arrived knowing almost no Spanish. Then he met the woman who would become his wife — and decided to stay.

More than 20 years later, Wynand lives with his wife and three sons near Santiago and has built an international career in business and renewable energy.

In this episode, Wynand talks about arriving in Chile, learning Spanish without formal classes, building a career from English teacher to senior executive, returning to South Africa in 2011 and eventually making his way back to Chile.

We discuss life in Chile compared with South Africa, safety, healthcare, education, cost of living, food and wine, raising children between two cultures, and why Chile could be an option for South Africans considering a less conventional destination.

Wynand also talks about the Chilean South African Chamber of Commerce, his possible future move to the United States, and whether South Africa could ever be home again.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Introduction
01:15 Growing up in Upington
02:50 How Wynand ended up in Chile
05:56 Meeting his wife
06:24 Learning Spanish without classes
07:25 Returning to South Africa in 2011
08:09 Raising three boys
09:03 The challenges of starting out
10:16 Building a career in Chile
12:41 From supermarket worker to general manager
14:31 Returning to South Africa
16:00 Finding opportunities through Spanish
18:00 Why Chile became home again
23:49 Considering another move
25:16 Chilean residency and citizenship
25:40 The possibility of moving to the USA
26:46 The Chilean South African Chamber of Commerce
28:19 Living outside Santiago
29:19 Safety and crime in Chile
32:27 Healthcare and schooling
33:57 Minimum wages and cost of living
34:46 The cappuccino index
36:12 Chilean food and seafood
37:53 Chilean wine
38:54 Staying connected with family in South Africa
40:32 Could Chile work for South Africans?
42:52 Tax in Chile
44:07 Would Wynand ever return to South Africa?
46:01 His advice to young South Africans
47:20 Final thoughts

CONNECT WITH WYNAND

Wynand Kuhn is active on LinkedIn. You can connect with him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wynand-kuhn/

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Tracey Shearer left South Africa in 2003 with an Irish passport, a printer and no real plan beyond seeing what life abroad had to offer.

What followed was a 13-year journey through the UK and Singapore before eventually returning to Cape Town.

Tracey grew up on Johannesburg's East Rand and spent 13 years running a design agency with her sister before deciding it was time to leave. In London, her original entrepreneurial plans didn't work out, and she eventually found her way into maritime recruitment, a career she has now been in for around 20 years.

Singapore became a major part of her life. She ran a recruitment company there for seven years, built an international network and experienced a very different way of living.

Eventually, however, her heart was pulling her back to South Africa.

In this episode, Tracey talks honestly about leaving South Africa, the realities of starting again overseas, the cost of living in London, Singapore's safety and efficiency, healthcare, building an international career, and why she ultimately chose Cape Town.

We also discuss the role of family, the idea that the grass is always greener somewhere else, and how technology has made it possible for Tracey to continue recruiting internationally while living in South Africa.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:01 Introduction
01:15 Growing up in Johannesburg
02:36 Leaving South Africa in 2003
03:44 Arriving in London with a printer
04:17 Trying entrepreneurship in the UK
05:16 Finding maritime recruitment
06:13 Discovering the maritime industry
10:52 The cost of living in London
12:24 Adjusting to life overseas
13:05 Moving from London to Singapore
21:58 Healthcare in London and Singapore
23:27 Why Singapore works so well
29:47 Building a recruitment company in Singapore
30:19 Returning to South Africa
30:52 Working internationally from Cape Town
32:10 Why family pulled her home
32:47 Is the grass really greener?
33:15 Choosing Cape Town
34:00 Building a life back in South Africa

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Connor Jackson was born in Durban, spent much of his childhood in Tanzania, returned to South Africa, and then unexpectedly found himself building a life in Hungary.

At 18, Connor went to Hungary on a Rotary exchange programme. He didn't choose Hungary as his first option, but what began as a one-year adventure became a life-changing experience.

He returned to South Africa after the exchange, started studying at Stellenbosch University, but soon realised that he wanted to return to Hungary. He eventually moved back to Budapest, restarted his degree, learned Hungarian and began building a career there.

In this episode, Connor talks about:

Growing up in Tanzania and living in an expat mining community

Arriving in Hungary with virtually no Hungarian

The challenge of learning one of Europe's most difficult languages

Returning to South Africa and discovering that he had changed

Leaving Stellenbosch and moving back to Budapest

Studying international relations and starting his career in Hungary

Finding community through Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and rugby

What life in Budapest is really like

Safety, public transport and the cost of living

Working for Hungarian companies

The challenges of Hungarian immigration and bureaucracy

Being forced to leave Hungary after a visa problem

How a lawyer helped him return

Why he recently became a Hungarian citizen

Travelling and building a life across Europe

Connor also explains why putting yourself out there is so important when you move abroad, and why joining a sports club or other community can be one of the best ways to make friends and build a new life.

And despite becoming Hungarian, Connor says you never stop being South African.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:11 Welcome from Budapest
01:02 Growing up in Tanzania
03:43 Life in a Tanzanian gold-mining community
07:20 How Connor ended up in Hungary
09:08 Living with Hungarian host families
10:59 Arriving in Hungary with no Hungarian
13:35 Learning the Hungarian language
14:51 Returning to South Africa
16:28 Leaving Stellenbosch for Budapest
18:23 Studying and working in Hungary
19:12 Finding community through martial arts
21:35 Living in Hungary during COVID
23:44 Building a social life in Budapest
24:40 What Connor loves about Budapest
27:52 Cost of living in Hungary
30:50 Working in Budapest
32:42 Hungarian immigration and bureaucracy
35:23 Advice for South Africans considering Hungary
36:55 Becoming a Hungarian citizen
38:25 Travelling around Europe
40:00 Committing to your new life abroad
41:28 Braai, biltong and staying South African

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Andreas Pyper's journey to America began almost by accident. In 1997, he and a group of friends entered the US Green Card Lottery as a joke. His wife Amanda won. A few years later, they packed up their lives in South Africa and moved to California.

What followed was anything but easy.

Andreas arrived in America as an experienced HR manager, but found himself starting again at the bottom. His first job was as an HR filing clerk. He had no US credit history, no professional network and no company waiting to welcome him. His wife also had to start over, completing the requirements to become licensed as a therapist in California.

The first 18 months tested their family and their marriage. They experienced financial pressure, loneliness and uncertainty. Later, they lost their home during the 2008 financial crisis and had to rebuild again.

But Andreas kept going.

Today, 26 years after moving to the United States, he is a Human Resources Director for a large county organisation in California. He shares the practical lessons he learned along the way, from building a US credit history and choosing the right employer to understanding pensions, healthcare and the importance of accepting that you may have to take a few steps backwards before moving forward.

Andreas also has some strong advice for South Africans considering America: build relationships with Americans, don't expect your South African career success to transfer immediately, be prepared to work your way up, and don't underestimate the importance of having a strong marriage and family partnership.

This is an honest conversation about immigration, resilience, humility, career rebuilding, marriage and making a new life work.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:17 Welcome and Andreas' life in California
02:32 Growing up in Durban and Cape Town
07:44 His political upbringing
09:13 University and national service
10:31 Working in HR and the Green Card Lottery
11:16 How his wife won the Green Card Lottery
13:16 Discovering California
16:07 His father's life after politics
17:10 How the Green Card process worked
19:19 Leaving family behind
21:02 Starting again in America
24:29 Building a US credit history
28:25 His wife's professional re-licensing
29:30 The difficult first 18 months
35:29 Immigration and marriage
37:25 Losing their home during the financial crisis
42:24 Building their lives again
42:41 The importance of government jobs and pensions
45:10 Healthcare in America
47:02 The biggest mistakes South Africans make
49:25 Advice for anyone considering emigrating
52:45 The one thing he would have done differently

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James Whelan was born and raised in Johannesburg before moving to London in 1998. Five years later, after meeting his Japanese partner, he moved to Japan for what was supposed to be one year.

More than two decades later, he's still there.

James is now married, has three children, works in recruitment and has permanent residency in Japan. But despite building a successful life in Tokyo, he still feels a powerful connection to South Africa and says that if circumstances allowed it, he would move back home tomorrow.

In this episode, James shares the reality of life in Japan as a South African.

We talk about moving from Johannesburg to London and then Japan, the culture shock of arriving in Japan, living there without fluent Japanese, finding work, Japanese working culture, raising children in Tokyo, safety, healthcare, the cost of living, public transport, Japanese food and what it feels like to remain a foreigner after more than 20 years.

We also explore whether Japan has really become home for James, his connection to South Africa and his thoughts about eventually returning.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Introduction
00:23 Growing up in Johannesburg
03:05 Moving to London
03:11 From London to Japan
05:00 Learning Japanese
08:43 Culture shock
11:32 Settling into Japan
13:00 Permanent residency
14:46 His children and South Africa
16:23 Working in Japan
18:31 Visas and red tape
20:23 Japanese work culture
24:02 Life in Tokyo
25:43 Safety in Japan
28:14 Food and adapting to Japanese cuisine
31:19 Healthcare
33:03 Cost of living
35:24 Public transport and cars
37:16 Family and leisure
40:14 Is Japan home?
42:52 What James would tell his younger self
45:01 Final thoughts

CONNECT WITH THE RELOCATED SOUTH AFRICAN

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Andries Coetzee left South Africa for the United States in 1999 to do a PhD. His plan was simple: complete his studies and return home.

Instead, 27 years later, he is still in America.

After completing his PhD at the University of Massachusetts, Andries joined the University of Michigan, where he has built a successful academic career. What began as a temporary move became a life in the United States.

But his connection to South Africa never disappeared.

After becoming an American citizen, Andries found that his South African identity became more important to him. His research shifted towards South Africa and Africa, and regular visits home gradually strengthened his desire to maintain a deeper connection with the country he left behind.

A powerful experience during a University of Michigan orchestra trip to Soweto finally convinced him that he wanted a second base in South Africa. He has now bought a property in the Stellenbosch area and is considering spending much more of his time there after retirement.

In this episode we discuss leaving South Africa, adapting to American academic life, the differences between South African and American universities, life in Ann Arbor, the cost of living and healthcare, South African identity abroad, and what it means to be at home in two countries.

We also talk about Andries' optimism about Africa's future and why he believes more South African and African students should consider postgraduate study in the United States.

Most importantly, this is a conversation about something many emigrants eventually discover: you can build a successful life somewhere else without losing your connection to where you came from.

"As an expat, you're at home in two places, but not really fully at home in one."

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For over 30 years, Sable International has offered seamless solutions that simplify the complexities of cross-border movement and financial management, so that you can focus on what matters most – building your future beyond borders.

Find out how Sable International can support your journey:

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TIMESTAMPS

00:06 – Why Andries went to America in 1999
03:04 – Growing up in rural Limpopo
04:08 – Adjusting to the American university system
08:37 – From PhD student to professor at Michigan
11:00 – Why he didn't return to South Africa
14:48 – Family, loss and building a life in America
18:53 – The South African "soft landing"
20:32 – Why Africa became important again
24:42 – His optimism about Africa's future
27:11 – Why he's considering a base in South Africa
31:02 – The Soweto experience that changed his thinking
34:06 – Buying a property in Stellenbosch
34:41 – Could he eventually return permanently?
38:07 – Retirement, money and exchange rates
40:33 – Healthcare in America and South Africa
43:43 – Afrikaans, culture and identity
46:57 – Being at home in two countries
48:38 – Advice for students considering America

CONNECT WITH ANDRIES COETZEE

University of Michigan
Email: [email protected]

Andries also offers workshops and guidance to African students interested in studying in the United States.

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